My guest today is Dr Ada Palmer, Associate Professor of Early Modern European History at the University of Chicago and author Inventing the Renaissance: Myths of a Golden Age. I must say I haven’t enjoyed reading a book as much as this one in quite some time. Dr Palmer takes the traditional idea of the Renaissance – that it was a glorious rebirth of reason, artistic mastery and secular thinking after a centuries long dark age – and shows this is almost entirely nonsense. She then takes the reader on a remarkable tour of the people, places and periods we can associate with “the Renaissance” and shows – as usual – the real history is so much more complex, varied and interesting than the pop history cliches. It’s a highly engaging, chatty and personable read  – she manages to make some very complex history rather fun.

So it was no surprise to find Ada Palmer is as much fun in person as she is on the page. We had a long discussion about the common misconceptions about the concept of “the Renaissance”, the myth of “the Dark Ages” and the misunderstanding of how secular and non-religious these people and periods were or were not. So I hope you enjoy my conversation with Dr Ada Palmer as much as I did.